One of my favorites

[Mark SL]

I'm not sure how correctly principled this guy is, but I like it

And aside from wanting to rip solos, I want to make music like this. I think it's quite good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY1xpQ9N ... re=related

[N E Y]

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Hi Mark.

No worries. If you dig the artist is all that counts. The rest..all the debates and critical attacks... is just lesser minds in full activity

When it comes to music,I never look at how technically principled anyone is. In fact I don't notice anything technical, because I am at this point in his or her music where everything necessary is already perfected for that experience, so I just experience it. I am not correcting an aspiring performing artist. I am experiencing a work of art.

Ideology as an evaluating tool in the arts ( educative, technical, ) is an obstacle to art because ideology is very limited by definition . All intellectually deducted ideas, and constructs, are limitations created by a limited medium: The intellect which is not capable -by itself- of the necessary transcendence. Only a pure experience of the infinite can go beyond and open the gates to genius and inspiration.

Often ideological tenets surge after the wok of a genius (such a work is meta-ideological) and as usual, lesser minds (beholden to cristalizations and paralized by assorted fears) promptly make rules and regulations about it and immediately fund a rigidly structured movement around it. But the historical evidence is that the moment such movement is founded and followed ideologically (as opposed to going to the sources of genius) it dies a very fast natural death.

Viewing art with the intent to fit it into an ideological set of rules of any type to "'validate it" is - in my mind- delusional in the most debilitating way because it blocks access the language and messages of art.

So, your intuition is telling you the truth...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ney_mello
http://www.youtube.com/user/NeyMelloOfficial?
http://bit.ly/aSUSw6
http://www.musicarts.com/Stores/Store.a ... 320&mode=1
http://www.facebook.com/pages/NEY-MELLO/8702485599
http://www.myspace.com/neymello
http://www.twitter.com/NeyMelloGuitar

[Stan]

Thanks Mark and Ney - your posts really got my mind going thinking about this. And thank you to Jamie for a lot of that, too.

And - feel free to disagree - and it may get a bit long...

Each one of us has their own version of "reality". Our reality is what we do every day, who we're spending our days (and nights ) with, where we live, what we eat etc. We have an idea of what the world IS. Everything we experience becomes part of our reality. So here we are, living in our reality, enjoying some things, disliking others, in our little "cocoon", snug as a bug in the rug. When we listen to music - or experience any other art form, really - we are first and foremost concerned with - "How's this working for me? Do I like this music?" Here we will take this music, measure it against current fashion and our set of "likes" and will support it (by listening, singing, posting about it etc.) or discard it.

Another way of listening to music is to (and there's a GREAT post/video by ToMakeMusic in another subforum that also pushed me to think about this) - to try and CONNECT to the music - try to hear what the performer is trying to SAY or EXPRESS with it... To BASICALLY make yourself open to experiencing another person's reality, try and FEEL what THEY are feeling at the moment, or to feel what the composer was feeling... That opens one to the ACTUAL MUSIC so much more!!! And after that you may STILL decide that you do not like it all that much (or, indeed, at all!) and that's ok too. Of course, letting yourself FEEL something and be AWARE OF IT while listening to music is a prerequisite - and a half-way there already

That's as far as I got in my thinking process ....

[N E Y]

Yes , Stan,

You thinking is going quite far!

In my experience, music and art in general become a way to understand that which cannot be grasped and articulated by the intellect. Incidentally it is cool to notice that true science offers the same realization. But true science is not practiced by most scientists who just follow the scientific method by applying it to limited and closed paradigms.

When they use it dynamically and lucidly, they are known as scientific geniuses. These are the real scientists. Most scientists holding such a title, however, are just highly educated intellectual managers of information. They are kept away from true scientific experiences by the limits of their commitment to discard any possibilities originating beyond the sequential. time-bound, processional intellectual processes.


It takes a more awakened personality to go beyond the egos' limited structuralism which holds it together, and to become something much bigger than it, eventually to realize that there is no real separations or even no real entities themselves.

That can only be experienced directly as one becomes aware of it after waking up to a fuller reality, as you wrote. And music is one way to break the mental crystallizations and structures that keep us from experiencing our full state of being, because it gives us access to infinite experiences which are not beyond the ego's ability to experience. So while one still identifies with the ego's inherently limited state of being, one can nevertheless experience infinity through music...






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ney_mello
http://www.youtube.com/user/NeyMelloOfficial?
http://bit.ly/aSUSw6
http://www.musicarts.com/Stores/Store.a ... 320&mode=1
http://www.facebook.com/pages/NEY-MELLO/8702485599
http://www.myspace.com/neymello
http://www.twitter.com/NeyMelloGuitar

[Mark SL]

Hey guys!

Ney - so true, it doesn't matter what music is played on, how crude or sophisticated - if it touches us and moves us, at that place there is no "good" or "bad". It's purely tapping into that universal collective infinite that anyone and everyone can relate to if they allow it...which ties into Stan's amazinng post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZNk76_4lds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTlSka5i ... re=related

Stan - that was quite the response, I'm still trying to wrap my mind around stuff you brought up. But what I couldn't help but dwell on is how there is a lot of pop music out there that might be really tight and follow "keys to songwriting success" but doesn't last anymore than it's 15 minutes. But then there is that timeless music past and present that, though it may not be mine or your "cup of tea" it still moves us and transcends whatever idea we might have of the type of music we most enjoy. And that's the universal, collective aspect of it all. When it comes from that pure place there are no genres or types or preferences, just joy

If you haven't seen it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86N4lNuVz_8

[Stan]

"It might get loud" - saw the whole thing... changed my perspective on what a guitar is, what music is and gave me a new appreciation for Jack Black

Black Dub - good stuff!

[Sugar70]

The intellect which is not capable -by itself- of the necessary transcendence.
Only a pure experience of the infinite can go beyond and open the gates to genius and inspiration.