TIME FOR ANOTHER TEST (Oct-06-06)

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"The melodic duet,
being the prettiest thing I ever heard, caused me to connect
with the Holy and Eternal."

That is it!

"Music begins beyond the creator and transcends beyond the
listener."

Yes!

-Ney

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"To me music is an entity that expresses the infinite soul.
Music is not planned or created, it is found. It is channeled
from all dimensions of body, mind, soul and the universe; this
fuses together to create music. Fused, by the way does not
mean once it is created it is rigid, it is still constantly
expressing and obsorbing new influence and feeling everytime
it is played. Musical performance is as much inward spiritual
realisation as it is outward projection. There are no gaps, it
is a wholistic projection of energy that feeds from and
creates new influences, not just artistically, but of the
whole existance of inner and outer self and it's growth.

The presence of music can be so undescribably beautiful it
sends shivers down your spine, because it is talking to the
soul like a lover."


All true; just remember that "energy" is much too limiting a term to exclusively describe music . Music is alive and beyond what we consdider energy to be.... even if it contains it... it is much more than infinite forms of energy.

It is beyond quantum theory and relativistic physics. Check Albert Einstein on music....

-Ney

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Music is my soul and my soul is music's.

I might have confused my words in my last post stating that music is a medium, my soul is the medium. Just as there is no sound in a vacuum, music too needs a medium in which to be alive, and that medium is our souls. We experince it and express it with our love for it.

-JC

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"Music is my soul and my soul is music's."

Why only your soul? are you just an isolated soul? or are you the universe itself? Hoe do you experience yourself?

Experience is the only valid reality to make sene of any reality in any dimension...but not just sense experience....or the workings on the intellect who is at the mercy of the 5 senses to have anything to intelelctualize about since all intellectual data is entirely dependent on sensory data for its existence.

Why do you write that your soul is music's? Do you experience music has having no life and indentity og it;s own? It is dependent on human beings and other beings to exist?

Things to contemplate:

Is man the center of creation around which everything revolves and whose will decides what has life and individuality and what has none? Is it up to today's man to decide what is life ands what is not life . What is alive and what is not alive by physical empirical evidence and by physical experiences accumulated for hundreds of thoudsand of years?

"I might have confused my words in my last post stating that
music is a medium, my soul is the medium."

Do you mean your souls is the medium or is your soul music irself?

"Just as there is no sound in a vacuum, music too needs a medium in which to be
alive, and that medium is our souls. We experince it and express it with our love for it."

Do you mean that music is not alive unless it inhabits your soul? Or any human soul?

-Ney

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"Why only your soul?"

All souls, I was just individualizing the statement.

"Are you just an isolated soul? Or are you
the universe itself? How do you experience yourself?"

Experience is the only valid reality to make sene of any
reality in any dimension...but not just sense experience....or
the workings on the intellect who is at the mercy of the 5
senses to have anything to intelelctualize about since all
intellectual data is entirely dependent on sensory data for
its existence.

Sometimes i feel like an isolated soul, but i know i am not, I and everything else are the universe itself, in part and in whole. I experience myself in feeling emotion, thru senses and from the inside, reverse preception.

"Why do you write that your soul is music's? Do you experience
music has having no life and indentity og it;s own? It is
dependent on human beings and other beings to exist?"

No; music is life. My soul is how and where i unite with music, we share our existance with it and interact with it this way. This is the medium.

"Things to contemplate:

Is man the center of creation around which everything revolves
and whose will decides what has life and individuality and
what has none? Is it up to today's man to decide what is life
ands what is not life . What is alive and what is not alive
by physical empirical evidence and by physical experiences
accumulated for hundreds of thoudsand of years?"

No; but i don't have the answer to say who is responsibe for that.

"Do you mean your souls is the medium or is your soul music
itself?"

I do think my soul is the medium, but in my soul exists the music as well. So it is both.

"Do you mean that music is not alive unless it inhabits your
soul? Or any human soul?"

In order to experience music and express it, is what i mean by this, the soul is where we truly experience things, and not only in a human soul, all souls included. When i say "alive" i mean to become spirited in me.

-JC

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Congratulations, JC!

I know it is not easy ..but you got it!

-Ney

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Thanks NEY, it sure isn't easy!

-JC

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"That is all? what about rhythm ? what about the body?
Should we ignore the African continent , The south American
one and Asia Asia since they address the body and Europe
almost rejects it?"

True... the West does not ignore it but they split it up; we have "dance music", which is basically some beats with a build up to a climax. And for the real music, you are not allowed to dance on that one... It's just not done. And so the two separated.
So for the body: there's also a transaction of energy by the rhythm.

>Interpretation is an intellectual process....So it is not felt
>by the listener? what about his/her body?

I think i used the wrong word there. It should be "recognizing him or herself in it". This can be through interpretation of course, but more in the emotional sense than in the intellectual.

So the listener is indeed feeling, but not necessarily what the artist(s) felt when making the music. To a certain degree, the listener adapts these emotions/feelings/thoughts/energies to his or her own.

-Nef

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"An example is guitarists Steve Baughman (lead) and Robin
Bullock’s (harmony) rendition of Turlough O’Carolan’s Fanny
Power...By 2002 Baughman and Bullock transcribed from harp to
guitar..."

As an aside - just in case you weren't aware:
Carolan's actual arrangements were never written down. We only have the 'melodies' as written down by his son, or as learned from later players - So Baughman and Bullock (and the many others who play Carolan's music) aren't really transcribing. They're arranging the melodies in their own styles. This of course has nothing to do with the purpose of your message. Just thought you'd be interested.

-Dan Mozell

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No, I wasn't aware of either ... Carolan's son being the first to write the composition down, or the technical distinction between transcribing and arranging as it relates to moving the piece from harp to guitar. I appreciate knowing more about both. Did Carolan generally create without writing things down? Was his son a performing musician?

-GeneP